Day One: A powerful day in the movement of the Spirit
Something is happening among Presbyterians today. Something old is passing and something new is emerging.
That was the spirit of day one at this New Wineskins Convocation for me.
Through the mediums of powerful preaching of the Word from an Egyptian pastor of a powerful Gospel-centered church in Cairo to the hopeful summary of the work of missional churches and transformative new church structures, there is much to digest from today's meeting.
The whole day was framed in worship and fellowship in the common spirit of trust and expectancy. To even a newcomer like me, this gathering felt like a get-together of lifelong friends who share the same goal for ministry--to glorify Christ in all things.
Perhaps the most powerful speech of the day was the summary given by the senior pastor at Signal Mountain Presbyterian Church. He has been their pastor for 18 years and he detailed for us the circumstances surrounding that congregation's vote to leave the PC(USA). He was thoughtful, compassionate, loving and gracious in describing the powerful witness and work of the laity in the church who worked for the congregation's future in another denomination. We hung on every word. He was able to convey the sadness of the vote, the turnout of all the members, young and old, one of whom was dying of cancer and had to be propped up on pillows in the pew so that he could see the proceedings.
He detailed the presbytery response and contrasted their 'by the books' attitude with the prayerful and gracious attitude of the EPC pastors and elders who helped his staff with prayers and encouragement. He shared with us that in all the time of his congregation's investigation as to whether or not they would stay in the denomination, not a single member of his presbytery offerd to pray with or for him. We were stunned.
Has it gotten to this point? Can we not agree to bless each other in differing paths? For some people in the PCUSA, the answer is obviously no.
Mark Tammen and people from Louisville are here observing. Do they feel anything at all?
Some of those here are already on the way to another denominational destination. We laid hands on them and prayed for God's guidance and protection on their ministries and congregations.
Yet, many of us are staying in the PCUSA for the time being. We will stay and strive to covenant together to form communities and associations that will witness to the PCUSA and use our presbyteries as our mission field. We will talk tomorrow about how this can happen and we will take back home a concrete proposal on how congregations within the old denomination can stay faithful, proclaim the faith and share it with others.
In many ways, staying here is the more difficult path. Not that those who leave this year have it easy! But, staying means facing the consequences of a denomination that will surely become more and more hostile to what we are doing and what we stand for, as so many of our daring and growing congregations leave the old structure and take their money with them.
Who knows what the next GA will bring? Will they come after those New Wineskins churches that will stay? Will they force us out or try some property grab? They just may do that. It's a risk we take by not taking the EPC up on their generous offer of refuge.
But faithfulness always has a price. How deep and how much that price will be for the congregations in NWAC staying in the old PCUSA has yet to be seen. But, for Christ and his church, many of us are willing to risk it.
New Winskins day one is a complete success, by the mercy of our Father. I look forward to the planning and visioning of the coming day two's work. Look to this blog for some details tomorrow night. It'll be big stuff.
God is faithful!



16 remonstrances:
My wife works at the epc office and i work at one of the founding epc churches and i know that many prayers are being offered up for the new wineskins churches. We know this has to be hard for all of you.
Jared
TOBY - Did you say Mark Tammen was there observing? Hmmm. I wonder what the chances are that they could try to sue the leaders of NWAC.
Jared,
We are thankful for those prayers and God bless your ministry!
Anon,
Sue them all? He certainly seems to have the bluster, but I doubt if he has 'the cahones', as we say in South Texas!
Thanks for the update. For those of us that couldn't make it, its reassuring to see that the Glory of God is first and foremost. I'm sure we'll read tomorrow some article that says day one for NWAC was all about the property.
Again thanks, our prayers and thoughts are with you all!
-KG
Thanks, Toby, for your great report! Remind me again, to what or to whom are you being faithful by remaining in the PC(USA)? Not that I'm judging you (smile)!
Is Moderator Rev Joan Gray there? She prayed with and for the Montreat church when it voted to leave according to press reports.
Toby:
Godspeed and God bless the work of the conference in Orlando. Pursue God, pursue Christ, pursue truth, under His guidance, for His glory, seeking His wisdom.
There are many of us praying for God's guidance and support to the convocation.
EPC Dex
Toby,
If you really believe that you are doing the harder thing by remaining in the PCUSA, then you are totally deluded. If you really believe the things the New Wineskins folk were spouting yesterday about the PCUSA (see Scanlon's report on the Outlook website), then the only honorable thing to do, the only courageous thing to do, is to leave. To stay is, to put it bluntly, a cop out that reveals your hesitancy to put your livelihood where your substantial mouth is.
For the New Wineskins folk to say that the PCUSA is "dead," and then to say that it is a faithful alternative to remain in it is disingenuous. You cannot have it both ways.
I for one believe it to be very much alive, and a much more faithful rendering of Christ's ministry that the staid fundamentalists of the EPC. But if I were a New Wineskins person, and I really believed all that nonsense, then it would be time for me to go.
Toby, it is time for you to go.
"I personally hope that I will see far more proclamation than confrontation, less anger and more joy, a more complete peace with the future and sorrow for our sins of the past."
Toby,
You said that yesterday.
I also read Leslie Scanlon's article on the Outlook website.
It sounded to me from her article like the first day was about confrontation and anger. What was your feeling?
It's funny how an anonymous poster can offer a drive-by interpretation of what is honorable that is entirely self-serving. It is self-evident, and I suspect the anonymous poster knows this - if Toby believed the PC(USA) to actually be apostate as opposed to having large apostate elements within it, he'd not be staying.
Aw, Will, don't feed the trolls. They have enough to eat already with the straw men they make and then devour.
I do not like the fact the Moderator of the EPC is at the conference. It sends nothing but the wrong message.
Backwoods - the moderator's presence does lend support to the meme that this is an effort from outside the PC(USA). Anyone with a grain of sense who has followed the NWAC over the last couple of years knows this to be absurd - but that never stopped anyone from repeating the charge.
Can't comment on how things are in Signal Mtn., but that is not the case here in Pittsburgh. I, and other PCUSA pastors are praying with and for our brothers and sisters that do not feel they can be in the same denomination as us any longer.
I pray they will not leave. We need them.
By the way, as someone who was once EPC, I can say that there are combative and graceful folks in both denominations. I probably met more combative folks in the EPC, but that probably is because I was a little bit different than them (hence my eventual move to the PC(USA))
Any projections as to when EPC membership surpasses PC(USA)?
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